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join:2002-04-17 Sugar Land, TX | Obama Funny how so many people bought the story that Obama was driven mostly by individual contributions. I'm glad he beat McCain, but it'll come out that he is a corporate toadie just like the rest of them. | |
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| Re: Obama said by CarterStClai :Funny how so many people bought the story that Obama was driven mostly by individual contributions. I'm glad he beat McCain, but it'll come out that he is a corporate toadie just like the rest of them. Stating the obvious much? You realize how much money alone they used on advertising right?
I am sure Obama could not pay that out of his own checking account. Obviously every politician has some corporate ties in some way. One might have less than the other and be better but both candidates always share a lot in common. When have you seen an independent win recently? This has happened very few times in the whole country's history and I can't remember when that was last. | |
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| Re: Obama said by I pos rep :When have you seen an independent win recently? This has happened very few times in the whole country's history and I can't remember when that was last. What do you expect when a duopoly of political parties bands together and creates the rules for elections and national debates? I wouldn't expect them to allow for an impartial 3rd party to be able to get involved and make any kind of a legitimate impact on the status quo. Besides, money is the biggest obstacle, and anyone with the resources to generate enough of it are probably not much different in character and substance than any other career politician looking out for the corporations.
Sorry Comcast, we will surely see another "Martin" in this position as the Telcos have control and they know how to keep it. | |
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| said by CarterStClai :Funny how so many people bought the story that Obama was driven mostly by individual contributions. I'm glad he beat McCain, but it'll come out that he is a corporate toadie just like the rest of them. If you want a pol not tied to corporate money, you'd better find another party. Strike that, another country. Strike that ... you won't find one. -- | |
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| Re: Obama said by CarterStClai :I voted for Nader. In other news, local man shouts obscenities at passing train. Nobody heard what he was saying, so the story seems unimportant.
Glad to know you're one of the 600k people who voted for an asshat like Nader, who just can't keep his yapper shut:
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| Re: Obama said by CarterStClai :Understand his words in the context of his argument and you'll understand that Fox missed the poing. There is ZERO context in which it is ok to call a black man especially the President "Uncle Tom". NONE. ZILCH. NADA. he might as well called him a n1gger. | |
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| Re: Obama If you *listen*, he never called him that. You could Wikipedia the term to understand it a bit. I know you're from good 'ole Tennessee, but remember, just because FOX says it doesn't make it true.
Nader speaks in terms of consumerism vs. corporate power. He is a minority Arab-American. He as protected all of us with his work and saved thousands of lives in the process. Just because Shepard Smith and some blondie GOP "newscaster" misunderstand his statements doesn't make them incorrect. | |
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If you voted for Nader, you effectively voted for Bush. Pleased with yourself? The only reason third party votes are throwaway votes is because everyone thinks they're throwaway votes. It's self fulfilling, and only true because it is throught to be true.
The Democrats and Republicans are the same party, they went to the same schools and were in the same fraternities. They only differ on a very few unimportant things such as Gay Marriage and Abortion, but are arm in arm when it comes to all the important things such as pandering to corporate fat cats and keeping wars going. | |
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| Re: Obama said by supergirl :Before Martin took over, the FCC was more consumer friendly. Democrats will make it that way again. I wished I shared your optimism. | |
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| I wouldn't hold my breath. Biden, Obama and other Congressional democrats have just as many connections with industry groups that want to limit fair use and other consumer rights (doctrine of first sale, etc.). Truthfully, this country needs a viable third political party--the democrats and republicans are too closely aligned on many policy issues (gee, guess who marched lock-step with Bush on anything labeled "national security"--democrats currently in Congress). With respect to cable, cellular, etc., you're more likely to see higher fees, period. (I expect to see federal regulatory fees for almost everything increase; if you don't cut federal spending then you have to increase fees and taxes.) Thankfully, Congress only sits for 2 years--in 2010 all of the house and 1/3rd of the Senate will be up for re-election. If the 111th Congress, which will be sworn in in January 2009, enacts unpopular/harmful legislation, then the majority party will pay the price at the polls in the 2010 elections. | |
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| Re: Obama said by battleop :Heh This will probably delay the thoughs of an AT&T Verizon merger by 4 to 8 years Do you really think AT&T will screw up so badly that Verizon will be able to afford to take them over? | |
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join:2005-09-28 00000 | Re: Obama If anything maybe one would trade it's wireless for the others land line. It's not very likely to happen but if it were to happen it would happen under a heavily republican administration. | |
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| said by supergirl :Before Martin took over, the FCC was more consumer friendly. Democrats will make it that way again. The two current Democrats prove that isn't necessarily true. | |
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| Re: Obama quote: At least 1 thing is certain - Comcast's Cohen will have the ear of the President as 1 of his biggest fund raisers in the recent election.
Technically, that's the only thing that isn't certain in this story. Interesting point otherwise, though. | |
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| said by TK Junk Mail :Will this give Comcast a break at the FCC after Martin and his cable vendetta is gone from the scene? At least 1 thing is certain - Comcast's Cohen will have the ear of the President as 1 of his biggest fund raisers in the recent election. I guess a lot of people will be shocked that Obama was/is/will be bought just like all pols. Uh, vendetta?
The FCC hasn't done anything substantial to rein in cable, since the "reform" act passed Congress. They've given a slight gift to telcos - removing line sharing and state regulation of DSL, but that really only puts them on a level playing field with cable.
Not the way I'd run things, but hardly a "vendetta". | |
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| hopefully, that won't help them they may want to get rid of Martin, but hopefully that won't end the scrutiny of their practices.
on a happier note, I assume Martin's political ambitions are as a republican. Even though NC leans republican, that appears to have started changing with this recent election. I look forward to Martin running and being defeated. | |
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| Re: What I am eager to see.... What about the cost of deploying the lines? Why would comcast share lines that they paid to deploy?
Not to mention the network management nightmares that would come with this. Say the headend (I think that's what they are called) for your block is sitting there that comcast paid for. you elect to go with Time warner through that headend and your next door neighbor sticks with comcast. So now we have twice the content coming through the same "pipes". Where exactly do you expect that bandwidth to come from? | |
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| Re: What I am eager to see.... Separate the line ownership from the service. You can either be a service provider or you can own, maintain, and lease out the lines and switching centers. You can't be both.
That's the only way you're ever going to fix this. Otherwise you'll always have a monopoly in a given geographic area (barring the very rare cases where there are two sets of lines for the same "format"). | |
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Karl, Att is no longer based in San Antonio. Its based in Dallas, Tx. | |
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| What the How can you think a Pro-throttling FCC would be good for anyone?
if that happens then CC will be able to block vonage/skype/other voip
and non-CC VOD will be bye bye
and how can you be anti-net neutrality?(sure Congress will mess it up 10 ways from saterday but if its kept to what its ment for then it'll be good) | |
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| Re: Careful what you wish for... comcast didnt give him a ton of money. cohen had a dinner at his house and raised money. martins going to get a nice cushy job in the private sector. if cohen wasnt in the private sector man would he make a good president. i really mean that. he is a very stand up guy and is just a really good human being. | |
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| Re: Careful what you wish for... said by rody_44 : comcast didnt give him a ton of money. cohen had a dinner at his house and raised money. martins going to get a nice cushy job in the private sector. if cohen wasnt in the private sector man would he make a good president. i really mean that. he is a very stand up guy and is just a really good human being. Same difference. Having a dinner and charging at the door is the same thing as handing over a big check. Cohen is going to call on Obama later on and remind him of his "fund-raising efforts." To think otherwise is extremely naive. | |
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| Martin, Comcast, Obama Karl Thanks much for the David Cohen bit, which I had missed. Meanwhile, I've been watch Kyle McSlarrow of the cable association being massively behind McCain, I believe including getting money from Comcast execs.
But I think Kevin Martin (and Mike Powell, etc.) are more complicated than just political animals responding to paymasters. I call it "How do you buy an honest man?" I believe both Martin and Powell would throw you out of the office if you offered a million dollar suitcase, and probably would have you arrested. I'm confident both wanted to do right by the consumer and personally strongly believe in being ethical. I also believe that on all but a handful of major votes before 2008, Martin's votes would have been the same if he were a flunky. I welcome more ideas, but here's part of it. 1) Hire the very best persuaders in the world. Folks like Tom Tauke of Verizon and Jim Cicconi of AT&T are paid perhaps $2M a year and are very, very good. 2) Provide them with provide them with almost unbelievable amounts of money. I've traced $46M from AT&T as just part of their spending on one issue (TV franchises) in a single year (2006) through just one of many routes (Charlie Black in between running Republican presidential elections.) My guess is that overall spending to influence telecom and related issues is closer to $2B than $1B, but it's hard to get a firm number. The carriers are a large portion. 3) Use some of that money at every opportunity to buy "access" and perhaps more. The $6.2M Comcast's David Cohen raised for Obama was not just because he supports Obama. That's enough money to expect to be consulted on ajor decisions at the FCC including the appointments. Being consulted does not imply Cohen will make the decision, although Verizon's Tom Tauke was rumored to have an effective veto on Bush's second FCC chair. Tauke's early endorsement was crucial to Martin getting the job. Tauke's Bush ties are so strong the Washington Post reported he was offered the campaign manager job in 2000, but apparently turned it down because he didn't want to cut his income 90% and still take orders from Karl Rove. AT&T provided $1M to a foundation named after Congressman Bobby Rush which employed Rush's son and promoted Rush's causes in the community. Rush has voted several times in favor of AT&T proposals I believe hurt his constituents. I haven't checked this year, but often a majority of those elected in the U.S. have received the maximum legal contribution from one or more Bells. 4) The money also supports an army of sycophants that typically overwhelm D.C. policy events. One university-sponsored event had a majority of speakers I knew had substantial financial ties to the bells. Organizations they fund (APT) constantly run D.C. events that mostly feature carrier points of view, with a few included for "balance." These are usually well and effectively promoted and are very visible in DC. 5) They massively fund "studies" that provide credibility to their lobbying point of view. Some are done by nominally independent and non-profit groups who have a predictable point of view. Others come from "economists for hire" shops like Criterion. They are typically produced by people with respectable credentials and enough knowledge of economics to impress people who don't look closely at the work. Almost always lobbyists can find someone with credentials willing to take their money. 6) Their studies and organizations effectively cross-promote each other. I've seen Verizon funded studies that quote a dozen Verizon funded sources who quote them in turn. One "non-profit" produced a "study" that would have had a hard time being accepted in a college term paper because it drew strong conclusions without anything close to statistically significant data. 3 data points were used to estimate $134B of impact, with precise breakdowns for 50 states. The primary conclusion on the impact of broadband on jobs was based on a Verizon funded "study" that specifically did not find a significant link to jobs. It turns out using their data more carefully leads to a conclusion the organization's demand creation efforts were worse than useless, with the three data points actually finding the take rate was lower when the increased supply was taken into account. Availability went from 60% to 95%, which ordinarily would have created more new broadband connections without any "demand side effort."
I've a great deal more on how money and influence actually actually control most of D.C., but I'm already too long for a comment. db | |
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